MacOS 8.5 or Higher?
From: martin_trash@glamakim.is (Martin Sammtleben)Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: 8.5 or higher?
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:52:44 +0000
Message-id: <martin_trash-0206012353150001@192.168.1.100>
In article <41075bd7.0106021134.79d700cb@posting.google.com>, kwise@wn.net (Karen) wrote:
> I'm buying a CDRW drive that requires OS 8.5. I have only 8.1 on my
> beige G3 desktop. Should I get 8.5 (and if so, where do I get it?) or
> should I get something higher/better? THANKS
Hi Karen,
if you don't miss any functionality in 8.1 I wouldn't go further than 8.5, well, 8.5.1 (a minor upgrade)
OS 8.6 introduced the nasty font bug and OS 9.x is a whole different thing with hefty memory requirements (40-50 MB) an a lot of features that the average user doesn't need anyway and will definitely be slower than 8.1 and 8.5 - that's at least my experience from taking care of 14 Macs in my office.
Also be aware that any upgrade of the sytem software might break your currently used applications, utilities or drivers for peripheral devices, which will add considerably to the total investment of time and money.
If you need to get work done be conservative.
BTW does it say anything why the drive requires OS 8.5 as a minimum?
If it's a SCSI device you shouldn't have to upgrade your system, connect it and it will work just fine. It might be the bundled software, that won't run under anything older than 8.5.
Tell us more!
Cheers Martin
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From: ostiaantic@aol.com (OSTIAANTIC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Date: 03 Jun 2001 00:36:34 GMT
Subject: Re: 8.5 or higher?
Message-id: <20010602203634.17331.00001982@ng-cv1.aol.com>
<< OS 8.6 introduced the nasty font bug >>
I recently upgraded from 8.1 to 8.6, with a brief stop at 8.5.1. I read frequently,on line, that you should upgrade to 8.5.1 to eliminate many bugs present in 8.5, but better still to update to 8.6. It's a couple of weeks now, and so far all is well.
Could you elaborate on the 8.6 font bug, or direct me where I might find such info?
Thanks Ron S.
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From: martin_trash@glamakim.is (Martin Sammtleben)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: 8.5 or higher?
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:33:09 +0000
Message-id: <martin_trash-0306010133380001@192.168.1.100>
In article <20010602203634.17331.00001982@ng-cv1.aol.com>, ostiaantic@aol.com (OSTIAANTIC) wrote:
> Could you elaborate on the 8.6 font bug, or direct me where I might find
> such info?
Hi,
it's true that many people are not having any problems. As far as I recall, it hit certain applications like e.g. QXP and GoLive/Cyberstudio hardest. For more info see:
<http://www.macfixit.com/extras/8.6fontbug.shtml>
When I finally had to upgrade to 8.6, it was all fixed :-)
Cheers Martin
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: 8.5 or higher?
From: dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 02:28:43 +1200
Message-id: <1euk3mf.ywxk6f115rmngN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
Kwan Yeoh <KYeoh@MaC.Com.SpAmMeN.oT> wrote:
> So what was introduced into OS 8.5 that wasn't in 8.1 on a PPC machine
> that makes it so different?
If you want the gory details, Apple published a technical note which lists all of the significant changes in 8.5. I don't have the exact URL handy, but start at http://www.apple.com/developer and look for the technotes section. My copy (on CD) is about 372K. There may be a simpler overview in the technical info library.
Some of the major changes include:
- More PowerPC code, so generally faster than 8.1 and earlier.
- Application menu can show the name of the application (toggled on and off), and can be torn off to leave a floating application palette.
- User interface changes in Finder, notably the Get Info window and resizable columns in list view.
- System-level support for proportional scroll bars.
- HTML-based help facility.
- Support for Unicode text display and text entry (in selected applications).
- Fixed problem where timestamps on HFS+ volumes changed when entering or leaving daylight saving. (They still change if you set a different time zone.)
- Date & Time control panel supports time synchronization via the Internet and automatic daylight saving time changes.
- Reorganised several control panels.
- Remote Access replaces OT/PPP, adding extra capabilities such as a control strip item and the ability to acquire the DNS address automatically (if supplied by the ISP). This makes it much easier to deal with multiple ISPs, effectively obsoleting FreePPP.
- TCP/IP support for DHCP is significantly improved.
- Internet control panel (equivalent to and compatible with Internet Config).
- Startup volume is repaired automatically at system startup after an improper shutdown (unless you turn off the "improper shutdown" warning in the General control panel).
OpenDoc and Cyberdog are no longer included with the system (they might still work).
9.1 Finder Memory
From: DaveC <anon@example.net>Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Why does Finder (9.1) run out of memory?
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:35:54 -0700
Message-id: <01HW.B7562D0A0001F65D05812DB0@news.dnai.com>
I've gotten messages in the Finder that it needs more memory. The options, when this happens, are to Retry or Reboot.
I increased Finder's memory (changed file type to APPL and increased memory allocation) to 2 MB. That was fine for a few days, now it's running out of memory again.
1. What causes Finder to keep using more memory? Specifically, is it an issue with lots of icons on the desktop? Extensions? 2. Can I expand memory enough to where Finder will eventually be satisfied?
PB G3 (FireWire); OS 9.1; VM=off; 192 MB RAM
Thanks, Dave
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From: B Collins <bcollins@home.ifx.net>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Why does Finder (9.1) run out of memory?
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:00:21 -0400
Message-id: <3B311CD7.1BC5022E@home.ifx.net> Reply-To: bcollins@home.ifx.net
Maybe the Finder preferences are corrupted. I experienced similar symptoms on another mac running an older version of the Mac OS. After trying several things without success, I trashed the Finder prefs and rebooted, and everything worked fine.
To trash the Finder prefs: Go to System Folder -> Preferences -> Finder Preferences, select Finder Preferences and drag it to the trash.
When you reboot, the ssytem will build new Finder Prefs from scratch, eliminating any corruption.
If this does not fix the problem, then maybe something else is corrupted and you need to reinstall the system.
Bill
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From: DaveC <anon@example.net>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Why does Finder (9.1) run out of memory?
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:29:32 -0700
Message-id: <01HW.B75655BC0006827E058CD310@news.dnai.com>
Yes, I have many applications open, very little available memory left.
But I though that Finder only used memory that was allocated to it, nothing outside that. So, if I understand your answers, when I expand memory allocation to the Finder, it may want more, even outside this allocation?
I guess the solution is to either open only a few applications at a time, or ante up more $$ for more mem...
Thanks for your answers.
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From: "Steven Fisher" <steve@discoverysoft.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Why does Finder (9.1) run out of memory?
Message-id: <x%7Y6.421$3x.1603@news.bc.tac.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:49:31 -0700
Increasing the Finder's allocation may in fact REDUCE the amount of memory available to it. It may be written to use only the process memory heap.
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Subject: Re: Why does Finder (9.1) run out of memory?
From: Greg Weston <gwestonREMOVE@CAPShome.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.system
Message-id: <200620011529477571%gwestonREMOVE@CAPShome.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:28:32 GMT
> 2. Can I expand memory enough to where Finder will eventually be satisfied?
Nope. What else are you doing when, or shortly before, this error comes up? Is it something consistent? The Finder uses the Process Manager heap for transient allocations. Every time I've seen this occur has been because some other program has grabbed all or most of the free memory on the machine.
G
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From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@home.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Why does Finder (9.1) run out of memory?
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:12:01 -0500
Message-id: <B7565FB0.3227%behni@home.com>
I've found that it happens when I've maxed out the RAM available to the computer, and it tries to run another command in the finder. Since there is no more RAM available, and the Finder takes precedence over other programs, it's asking you to quit one of the other programs. Brian
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From: Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtri@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Why does Finder (9.1) run out of memory?
Message-id: <mcmurtri-705DB9.00261221062001@typhoon.sonic.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:26:12 GMT
Finder pulls memory from the main Process Manager heap. Finder can run out of memory if all of it has been given to apps or if an app has allocated Process Manager memory and erronously locked it.
Try turning up virtual memory or sliming down memory given to applications.
MacOS X & Upgrade Cards
Message-id: <3B3A60E8.3EE35EF@nic.fi>From: Heikki =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4ms=E4?= <heikki.jamsa@nic.fi> Reply-To: heikki.jamsa@nic.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Os X on accelerated PCI macs?
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:40:42 +0300
Os X evidently does not work on macs which are G3's only via accelerating?
I have PM 7500, upgraded with Newer G3 prosessor card. When I try install Mac OS X, it only gives requester 'Os X can not be installed on that computer, please consult ....'
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From: david@davidillig.com (David)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Os X on accelerated PCI macs?
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:03:52 -0400
Message-id: <david-ya02408000R2706012103520001@news.erols.com>
Look at http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter. It links to a utility that may help you install OS X on your upgraded machine. It worked on my PowerTowerPro 604e upg. XLR8 G3/450. OS X runs as slowly on that machine as on any other...
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MacOS 7.6 and G3/G4
From: jxxk@kiva.net (Jim Knowlton)Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Will Mac O.S. 7.6 work on a Power Mac G4?
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 23:30:08 -0600
Message-id: <jxxk-0407012330080001@dial-27.bton.kiva.net>
I am a computer graphics artist who has been working on a 7100/80 Power Mac since 1995. Though I have more recent versions of the Mac O.S., I strongly prefer working with Mac O.S. version 7.6.
For the last year or so I¹ve been considering replacing my 7100 with a more recent computer, such as the current Power Mac G4. My questions are as follows:
1) Will I be able to install and use Mac O.S. version 7.6. on a G4?
2) If not, what is the oldest version of the Mac O.S. that will work on a G4? How about on a G3?
Thanks,
Jim Knowlton jxxk@kiva.net
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From: Charles Martin <stareinawe@myhairyballs.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Will Mac O.S. 7.6 work on a Power Mac G4?
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Message-id: <gK017.96092$_T2.24622297@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:38:36 GMT
> 1) Will I be able to install and use Mac O.S. version 7.6. on a G4?
No way in hell.
> 2) If not, what is the oldest version of the Mac O.S. that will work on a
> G4? How about on a G3?
On a G4? Depending on which one, you could perhaps go back as far as 8.6, but believe me you don't want to. Trust me on this ... 9.1 is the ideal OS for a G4 (well, until the kinks get worked out of 10).
Don't be so afraid of change. It's healthy. :)
-- _Chas_ (non-spammers should use "chasm" at mac-dot-com instead of the email above!)
"Call me old-fashioned, but I want to read email with an email client, news with a newsreader, and browse with a browser. A Swiss army knife is no substitute for a toolbox." -- Kevin Craig,
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From: Alvena Ferreira <alvenaf1@home.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Will Mac O.S. 7.6 work on a Power Mac G4?
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:57:42 GMT
In order to find out what version of the OS you can run on an apple computer, go to this URL and select the computer in question and it will show you what OS's it will run: http://support.info.apple.com/info.apple.com/applespec/applespec.taf
By the way, 9.x is a good OS, and you will not be unhappy with an upgrade unless you have a problem with upgrading your software. It is not a system with a lot of end-user differences from what you are running now, and the differences that it does have are good ones...you will like it. Invest in more RAM memory if you are running kind of tight currently, as subsequent OS's seem to require more in order to run well and still give enough room for programs.
alvena
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From: tph@pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net (Tom "Tom" Harrington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Will Mac O.S. 7.6 work on a Power Mac G4?
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:24:58 -0000
Message-id: <tk91mae54gkm44@corp.supernews.com> Sender: Tom Harrington <tph@babu.pcisys.net>
> http://support.info.apple.com/info.apple.com/applespec/applespec.taf
In some cases this database will be missing information on working revisions-- for example, it does not list 9.1 as supported on beige G3 systems, though in fact they do support it. But if you're looking for the earliest supported rev, it should be OK.
[snip]
I really wonder what it is about 7.6 that makes it so attractive. Especially given that newer models ship with MacOS CDs, meaning that if you're buying new hardware anyway then there's no additional cost for the OS upgrade.
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From: "larry" <lmccarty@flex.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Will Mac O.S. 7.6 work on a Power Mac G4?
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:36:04 -0700
Message-id: <tk95mor9pfjqa5@corp.supernews.com>
My guess here is the person wants an OS with a small memory footprint and the fastest possible. The person is probably thinking that 7.6 is small and quick so should really fly on a G4. That plus he/she is used to 7.6 and doesn't want to learn a new one. There are also programs that won't run on the newer OS.
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From: Andreas Rutishauser <acr@udena.ch> Reply-To: acr@udena.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Will Mac O.S. 7.6 work on a Power Mac G4? X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html
Date: 5 Jul 2001 06:09:47 +0100
> 2) If not, what is the oldest version of the Mac O.S. that will work on a
> G4? How about on a G3?
The OS the Mac in question was delivered with.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Will Mac O.S. 7.6 work on a Power Mac G4?
From: dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 23:43:48 +1200
Message-id: <1ew3hwt.a7cbcu1ukzw15N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
You can usually tell which OS version is the minimum supported for a particular machine if you can work out when the machine was released, relative to OS releases or other machines with a known minimum.
In most cases, a newly release machine will include a CD which has a specially modified version of the current system software, and a retail version of that system won't support the machine (unless it is a later updated version of the system software).
Some reference points:
7600/120 (late 1995 or early 1996) requires 7.5.3. 8600/250 (mid 1997) requires 7.6.1. Original iMac (mid 1998) requires 8.1. iMac DV (late 1999) requires 8.6.
The first G3 models (beige desktop/minitower) were released in late 1997 (about October or November). Mac OS 8.0 was released by August 1997. This almost certainly means that the oldest G3 models require Mac OS 8.0 or later.
The 8600/250 was released a few months earlier, and its system CD was a modified 7.6.1. My machine (purchased just before the G3 was introduced) also included an 8.0 CD.
The first G4 models were introduced in January 1999. This means that their minimum system would probably be 8.5.1 (8.5 was out by October 1998, 8.5.1 soon after; 8.6 was around March 1999).
MacOS 9 Resources
From: Robert
Subject: Web Site for Mac OS 9 Diehards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 2004-08-28 14:42:09 PST
While the future of the Mac is OS X, there are still a few of us that
prefer the OS 9 user experience. If you feel the same way, you may
want to check out a new Web site created for OS 9 enthusiasts. It is:
http://www.clubofnines.com/index.php
Stop in and join our community!
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From: Auntie Climb Macs
Subject: Re: Web Site for Mac OS 9 Diehards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 2004-08-31 12:10:06 PST
If you want warez, check out alt.binaries.mac.applications.retro ... there is a
steady supply of out-of-print software that you can no longer get anywhere else
except maybe eBay.
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Linux
From: Michael L (rolleiflexes@FIGHTSPAMhotmail.com)Subject: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc, comp.sys.mac
Date: 2004-03-27 14:33:38 PST
Hi All:
I'm considering a switch from Mac OSX to Linux because of extreme frustration with Apple customer support. A long time customer and supporter of Apple, never a fan of Windows, I'm hoping to load Linux on my powerbook as the first step in the transition away from Apple. Might as well keep using the powerbook until it dies and/or apple care runs out.
I'm not a programmer. I'm a home and small business user who needs email, www, newsgroups, music and dvd playing/burning capability, accounting (Quicken), word-processing, simple digital image manipulation and address book functions. In other words, I'm a typical computer user, and to be honest I've been very happy with Panther OSX.
My initial research shows that Yellow Dog has the easiest install, good support, and should run easily on my 12" Powerbook and older Pismo Powerbook.
How likely is it that I'll be satisfied with Yellow Dog Linux on my Mac?
Will the Linux OS take over every function currently handled by Panther?
If Linux alone won't do what I need, is it easy to keep Linux and Panther side-by-side, either in separate partitions or on the same hard drive?
Are there any particular advantages for me in switching over to Linux, aside from no longer giving money to Apple? Eventually, my plan would be to run Linux on a non-Apple machine.
Is this a futile exercise, there being no escape from the frustrations of bad customer support in this day and age???
By the way, here's the issue that prompted this: I ordered a powerbook on line for my daughter and received an empty box-- Apple customer service has been rude and useless-- 9 days after the empty box arrived, Apple has done nothing and essentially refuses to do anything until their 'logistics' department has finished an investigation. Their customer service has been so awful that I can't in good conscience continue to buy their products. Unless, of course, the alternatives are worse....
TIA Michael
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From: BluMax's News (alsimcoe@alsimcoe.com)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc, comp.sys.mac
Date: 2004-05-10 12:21:59 PST
You are the recipient of some bad luck unfortunately. Linux is a great envrionment to work in but not without its own frustrations. I have been using Linux for over 10 years.
Your requirements that you specified label you as a User as opposed to a User/Administrator. Linix basically is a multi user platform. Sure you can use it as a single user but you will still have to *learn* some administration.
No matter what others may say, there is still a fair amount of required reading. I love Linux but I have a great amount of respect for Mac OS X.
OS X will make your life as a User far more productive. The variety of available programs for OS X is awesome, providing you look in all the right places.
Do not cut off your nose to spite your face !!!!!
Bare with your problem and get it resolved as frustrating as it may be. You will end up the winner in this and that is what counts. Even the Apple written software that is out and will be coming out makes it SO worthwhile. As an example GarageBand a $45.00 music creatioin software is so powerful for what it does. It is part of the "iLife" suite of useful programs. Sorry, "iLife" is $45.00 not just GarageBand.
Think over your frustrating dilema carefully before you make the wrong decision!!! I say all this to you as a long time Linux User/Administrator. As a User, it is productivity that you are after.
If you want to discuss this with me directly, you can E-MAIL me at:
I hope you make th eright decision for You and for the longer term !
Al
alsimcoe at alsimcoe dot com
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From: JoOngle (joongle@nospamInnocent.com)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc, comp.sys.mac
Date: 2004-03-27 14:45:00 PST
"Michael L" <rolleiflexes@FIGHTSPAMhotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:270320041437186939%rolleiflexes@FIGHTSPAMhotmail.com...
> Will the Linux OS take over every function currently handled by Panther?
Probably not, you know....Hardly any OpenGL hardware action is supported by YellowDog. Especially NOT on the newer models.
I considered linux on my shiny new Powerbook g4 17" myself... but then again I used this baby for a while without installing Linux on it (I have linux on most of my other PC's!)....
You know what? Mac OS X comes with UNIX!...and if you're used to LINUX...you'll be QUITE home and "cosy" with the unix enviroment in the Mac.
So much so...that I decided to keep mac os X ...because then we got 3d-accelleration....100 % native hardware support and all the tools we'd ever need for compiling the software of our choice to our platform...so why switch?
Linux (yet) doesnt support the Airport extreeme, or the 3d accelleration in our powerbooks....and that makes the machine very boring and daft... so why use Linux on powerbook yet?
Personally I'd love to use Linux on my powerbook....but since so few things of my fancy hardware is supported i'll stick with Unix...and beeing a linux user...Unix ain't that bad...
cheers /JoOngle
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From: Jason Byrne (jbyrne@cs.ucr.edu)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Date: 2004-03-27 15:25:01 PST
>[...]
> Linux (yet) doesnt support the Airport extreeme, or the 3d accelleration
> in our powerbooks....and that makes the machine very boring and daft...
> so why use Linux on powerbook yet?
And this is due to the Broadcom chipset on the airport extreme cards, and the unwillingness of Broadcom to release specs or drivers for their cards (effectively killing linux drivers for these cards).
A last generation iBook is probably the best choice for powerpc linux at the moment (I have a G3 900 MHz, 12" LCD, combo-drive, etc... with nothing but linux on the drive... happily watching DVD's, burning CD's, wifi, decent power management, etc...), but I bought my iBook with the goal of having a cool/small linux laptop... as opposed to a bulky PC laptop, or slim PC laptop with the requisite samsonite luggage suite to carry around port replicators, external drives, etc..., etc...
I don't know much about the G4 powerbooks, but is it possible to use a PCMCIA wireless card to avoid the airport extreme issue?
- Jason
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From: ericb (eric@b.org)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Date: 2004-03-28 03:51:32 PST
Hi,
First, thank you for your intervention. If the hardware don't work under Linux, with Apple hardware, it is *first* because hardware manufacturers
don't wan't to give the electrical specifications + other needed informations. Apple does not give a lot of informations too.
Linux (2.6.5rc2) Debian sid + Mol + Mac OS 10.3.3 are working perfectly on my alu 15" 1,25GHz / hd 5400
In place of airport extreme card, a PCMCIA wifi card NetGear MA401 works perfectly with orinoco_cs module.
keyboard backlight ( a bit fun and somewhere useless..) works perfectly too. :-p )
bluetooth is working, superdrive is working... ...
With best regards,
eric bachard
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From: JoOngle (joongle@nospamInnocent.com)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Date: 2004-03-28 07:02:58 PST
Yeah! I signed a petition that already had over 4000 signatures for the release of the broadcomm specs. But that was regarding another notebook (A vega+ 901 2.8 ghz pentium4 notebook with a broadcomm adapter built in)
> I don't know much about the G4 powerbooks, but is it possible to use a
> PCMCIA wireless card to avoid the airport extreme issue?
> - Jason
Yes, I guess so - my Alu PowerBook G4 17" 1.33ghz has a Pcmcia-port (and that port is something of an issue designwise..it looks so cool with it's alu-cover and all...execpt when you actually USE it...it effectively scrapes off all the paint of ANY pcm-cia card that you'd insert into that slot...making my Rex 5000 PDA look really bad after only one use :/ (there's no drivers for mac os x and rex 5000...so there's NO use really).
/JoOngle
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From: Andrew J. Brehm (andrew@netneurotic.de)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Date: 2004-03-27 16:00:43 PST
If you need Quicken you might have a problem with GNU/Linux. Quicken doesn't run on it, I think.
> If Linux alone won't do what I need, is it easy to keep Linux and Panther
> side-by-side, either in separate partitions or on the same hard drive?
Very easy, yes. You can even run OS X while GNU/Linux is running.
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From: Rod Smith (rodsmith@rodsbooks.com)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Date: 2004-03-28 13:24:03 PST
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:00:17 +0100, Andrew J. Brehm wrote:
> If you need Quicken you might have a problem with GNU/Linux. Quicken
> doesn't run on it, I think.
Quicken doesn't run under Linux, but there are a couple of options:
1) Use a Linux native alternative, such as GNUCash. (For a table of
alternatives for lots of programs, check
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml. This
table is geared towards Windows-to-Linux migration, though, not
Mac-to-Linux. Still, it may be helpful.) 2) Use the Mac-on-Linux (MoL) emulator to run MacOS inside a Linux
session, and run Quicken in it. Of course, if your goal is to
completely eradicate Apple software, this won't be an acceptable
solution, except perhaps as a stop-gap. Also, I'm assuming that Quicken
will run under MoL; I don't know for a fact that it will.
--
Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux, FreeBSD, and networking
*
From: Mike Boreham (m.boreham@ntlworld.com)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions re: Linux on Mac
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.powerpc, comp.sys.mac
Date: 2004-03-31 12:41:34 PST
Are you already proficient in the world of Unix and Terminal? If not I think you will be frustrated by Yellow Dog. I installed it as an experiment in my G4 dual 867 and got it working, partially, but it was a long long way way from matching Panther for day to day functionality, (eg no driver for my printer S9000, not listed in Gimp's list, couldn't see my other HDs or open the CD drawer). With more knowledge and time and a big learning curve I expect I could eventually solve these and other problems, and probably enjoy the experience, but productivity would really suffer meantime. I had it running in dual boot mode, but the first time I used the OSX Startup Disk pane it wiped the Linux dual boot. I expect there was a way of fixing it if you know how. I tried to install Maconlinux but didn't know enough to understand the instructions. I e-mailed YDL to try and get a manual for YDL but they were out of stock and didn't know when they would have some more. In my experience YDL is not yet ready for day to day use by the non expert user. My understanding is that it will run really fast on old Macs which struggle with OSX, but new Macs which are fast with OSX will not show the same benefit. My experience of Apple Customer Service has been very good, so if you like Panther as you said, I would write off the empty box as a one-off and learn YDL as a recreation.
Re reading the above I sound very negative towards YDL, which I don't mean to be. I still intend to come back to it when I have more time and knowledge, and can get a copy of the manual.
Mike
Miscellaneous
From: Avery Raskin <araskin@mac.com>Subject: Re: How to delete invisible files?
Message-id: <4%IL6.226671$166.4513896@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 04:17:04 GMT
In article <3AFF3B7D.63197D02@sympatico.ca>,
Tom Valentine <tomv@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Get a copy of ResEdit or even better DeskTop. Small 160k.
>
> If you can't find DeskTop, send me an email and I'll sent you one...
>
> Not sure it'll run on all sys/comps as mine is in 68k code, but is stable and
> works great for making files or folders visible and invisible (to hide
> sensitive stuff that even the finder can't find, so...don't forget what and
> where...), plus other features
>
> I got this off Cnet years ago as freeware, there may be a newer version out
> there?
Using ResEdit to delete invisible files is like using a tank to pick up groceries. There are many utilities out there that will let you play with invisible files as safely as possible -- I put the caveat in because most invisible files are hidden for a reason, and if they are necessary to an application or your System, you may do damage by removing them. My favorite for the purpose is File Buddy 6 from Skytag Software (www.skytag.com), which does everything for file and folder management you could ever want. If manipulating invisibles is all you want, Alsoft released a free contextual menu module for the purpose a while back called 'Change Visibility'. You should still be able to find it at www.alsoft.com
***
From: david@davidillig.com (David)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Identify System Folder
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:20:30 -0400
Message-id: <david-ya02408000R2206010720300001@news.erols.com>
Daleje wrote:
> This folder is called KPCMS and it contains five items identified as documents,
> none of which will open because, "the Application that created them could not
> be found."
> Any idea what this folder is for? What application is belongs or belonged to?
************************************
These files are part of the Kodak Precision Color Management System. They were installed by a graphics application. They are needed if you use Kodak photo CD's. They are accompanied by "Kodak Precision Startup" in your Startup Items folder and a number of items in your Extensions folder whose names begin with "Kodak."
*****
daoud
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From: Matti Haveri <matti.haveri@sjoki.uta.fi>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: OS 7.5
Message-id: <matti.haveri-B660DE.22390404072001@uutiset.nic.fi>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 22:39:04 +0300
It is possible to download working copies of System disks and StuffItExpander to a Mac via a PC, even if you don't have any of them on the Mac in the first place:
<http://www.sjoki.uta.fi/~shmhav/68000.txt>:
* The last freely distributed System 7.5.3rev2 (this file includes System 7.5 Update 2.0 and System 7.5.3 Revision 2) and the updater to System 7.5.5. System 7.5.3rev2 is available as 19 parts of self-mounting Disk Copy images. Download all 19 parts to your hard drive and then double-click on the first part to mount the compressed disk image on your desktop (this takes a while on a 68000 mac!). Note that System 7.5.3 installer's self-mounting disk images require System 7.0.1 or later. If you are using a version of Mac OS prior to this, you can download System 7.0.1's Disk Tools floppy or System 7.5 Network Access floppy disk and boot your Macintosh from them to use this software (if your mac boots from 7.0.1 or 7.5).
<ftp://ftp.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/ English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/ System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/>
<ftp://ftp.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/ English-North_American/Macintosh/System/System_7.5.5_Update/>
<ftp://ftp.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/ English-North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/ Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin>
Q: How to make a System 7.5 emergency boot floppy? A: Substitute the Finder in "Network Access" disk with MiniSubstitute's Finder (68K version). Now there is also room for a harddrive formatter like Apple HD SC Setup 7.3.5 and Disk First Aid 7.2.2 (launch them via File/Open...). To make a System 7.5 anti-virus boot floppy, delete everything except System and MiniSubstitute's Finder to make room for Disinfectant 3.7.1 (Disinfectant 3.7.1 is obsolete, but nevertheless the last anti-virus utility for 68000 macs).
<ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/ Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.sea.bin>
<http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Network/7162/ others.html#minisubstitute>
<ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/ Macintosh/Utilities/Apple_HD_SC_Setup_7.3.5.sea.bin>
<ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/ Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_7.2.2.sea.bin>
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/vir/disinfectant-371.hqx>
[...]
* List of MacOS download sites:
<http://www.accesscom.com/~gamba/syslist.txt>
* System files are often stored as *.image files which can be opened and transferred to floppies with Disk Copy 4.2 or v6.x or ShrinkWrap:
<ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/ Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.sea.bin>
<ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/ Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_6.3.3.smi.bin>
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/disk/shrink-wrap-21.hqx>
* If you don't yet have a bootable mac disk but instead have a working (!) PC, you can make a bootable System 7.5 or 6.0.8 mac 1.4MB floppy on a PC: Decode and expand Network Access Disk 7.5 or System 6.0.8 image with Aladdin Expander-win and write it to a HD floppy using WinImage - this disk boots a SuperDrive-equipped mac if it supports System 7.5 or 6.0.8. (WinImage doesn't seem to support self mounting image files (.smi), only "plain" Disk Copy 4.2 format images so this trick doesn't work with all System files on the net).
<ftp://ftp.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/ English-North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/ Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin>
<ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/ Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/ SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk1of2.sea.bin>
<http://www.aladdinsys.com/>
<http://www.winimage.com/>
[...]
<http://www.sjoki.uta.fi/~shmhav/mac-internet-faq.txt>:
Q: How can I download mac files via a PC and then use them on my mac (given that I don't _already_ have mac decode/uncompress software)?
A: Sometimes mac-users are in a situation where their only connection is via PCs and they need to transfer files through them. They need to have StuffIt Expander (or some other utility) to convert BinHex (*.hqx) and MacBinary (*.bin) files. If they don't have a working copy of StuffIt Expander then Mac-ette (or MacSEE or TransMac) makes it possible to get it via a PC:
1. Get Mac-ette and StuffIt Expander (get the MacBinary version!) to the PC. Get also WinZip and Uucode if the PC doesn't already have similar apps. Use _binary_ transfer.
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/disk/macette-30.uu>
<ftp://ftp.aladdinsys.com//pub/_old/mac/StuffIt_Expander/ exp_40_installer.bin>
<http://www.winzip.com/download.htm> <ftp://ftp.winzip.com/>
<ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi//windows/util/uucode16.zip>
2. Uudecode, unzip and launch macette.exe on the PC. Put in a mac-formatted HD-diskette (or format it with Mac-ette) and open the desired folder/directory in it.
3. Copy exp_40_installer.bin to the mac-diskette using _MacBinary_ option in Mac-ette. With StuffIt Expander installed on a mac your next file-transfers are easier:
4. You can FTP and copy subsequent mac-files to PC-diskettes. Remember to use _binary_ transfer with MacBinary *.bin and compressed files such as *.sit and *.cpt! Mount PC-diskettes on a mac equipped with SuperDrive (using PC Exchange, Access PC or DOS Mounter; all macs excluding the Plus and some older SE's have SuperDrive) or copy them using Apple File Exchange (binary transfer with AFE) to the mac. Decode and expand them with StuffIt Expander.
If the file is too big to fit on a floppy, use WinZip on the PC side to compress and segment/span it into smaller parts to PC-diskettes and extract the file using ZipIt on the mac. Another option is to split a BinHex file with a PC word processor or uuencode and segment the file on a PC and join them on the mac.
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/cmp/zip-it-138.hqx>
...you want also DropStuff with expander enhancer; together with StuffIt Expander it decodes and expands almost everything (bin, hqx, sit, cpt, uu, gz, tar, Z, arc, zip).
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/cmp/drop-stuff-with-ee-40.hqx>
...MacSEE or TransMac can be used instead of Mac-ette to translate MacBinary and to write on mac disks on a PC:
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/disk/macsee-22.uu> <ftp://ftp.cica.indiana.edu//pub/pc/win3/util/tmac14.zip>
-- Matti Haveri <matti.haveri@sjoki.uta.fi> <http://www.sjoki.uta.fi/~shmhav/>
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